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12 May 2011 @ 02:14 pm
Similarities Between Madoka & Utena  

Besides the fact that both of them have pink hair.

Our titular characters both a have unique relationship with other lead female characters, Anthy and Homura respectively. Both relationships can be viewed many different ways: sisterly, platonically, or romantically.

Both shows have references to fairy tales. It’s much more general in Utena, as it always talks about the character archetypes of a princess, a prince, and a witch. But has its own fairy tale, which is often retold in the storybook opening scene.

In Madoka, Sayaka can easily be compared to the Little Mermaid, mainly the original Hans Christian Anderson one: both are in love, make bargains with other supernatural entities to help or get closer to the guys they love, go through a lot of pain because of it, and end up dying in the end. To make things even more obvious, Sayaka’s witch, Oktavia con Seckendorff is titled the Mermaid Witch, and her nature is to fall in love.

The two series also contain biblical symbolism. Though it’s a lot more subtle in Utena than in Madoka.

During one of Utena’s first encounters with Akio, he mentions that his name is related to “The Morning Star” which is associated with Venus, which is associated with Lucifer. Akio is the corrupt half of Prince Dios. So Akio could be a metaphor for Satan, Lucifer after he fell, and Dios is still Lucifer as an angel.

In episode 30 of Utena, “the Barefoot Girl”, our heroine accidentally sprains her ankle, and Akio takes her to the hospital. When they arrive back at the school, Akio takes off one of Utena’s shoes, and subsequently seduces her and they begin to kiss. The more prominent reference of this event would be Cinderella, following the series’ fairytale motif. But if we view Akio as Satan, and Anthy as a Christ figure (sacrificing herself for Dios and suffering under the Sword of Hate), then this situation could be metaphorical to Judas (Utena) betraying Jesus (Anthy).

We all know the blatant biblical symbolism in Madoka: Madoka cleansed Puella Magis of their sins, died for our sins, and promptly became the goddess of the universe. But in addition to Christian references, there’s also Buddhist references too.

In Buddhism, a soul is reincarnated. Until all of your collected existences have done enough good deeds, you will continue to reincarnate until you can finally achieve Nirvana - free from suffering and reincarnation, or enlightenment. Every time Homura went back in time, Madoka’s magical potential increased. Viewing Homura’s resets as reincarnation, Madoka reincarnated enough to achieve Nirvana and transcend above it.

Finally, I noticed a couple of similarities between both endings:

At the end, both girls ended sacrificing themselves for something. Madoka sacrificed her earthly existence to make sure Puella Magis don’t become witches. Utena opened the Rose Gate and became the target of the Sword of Hate instead of Anthy.

In addition, the two were all but erased from everyone’s memory, save for one or two characters. Homura and Tatsuya in Madoka’s case, and Anthy and Akio for Utena. But neither of our titular heroines aren’t truly dead, or gone.

So did anyone else notice the similarities?
 
 
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Forion: Homura[info]forion on May 12th, 2011 09:43 pm (UTC)
1. There's already a sorta set pattern — we might call it «an utenic relationship» :) — introduced in SKU, most notably reproduced in Noir, some of the later shows (e.g. Diebuster) might also qualify fully or partially… Well, Madoka is «par for the course». There are secrets and old promises that are kept unrevealed but drive the whole relationship; there's a sudden and strange first meeting and a surreal second one; both girls affect each other's personalities dramatically and unpredictably; there's more than enough growing tension towards the finale, and the end of e11 certainly qualifies as a «fall from the top of the tower»; and yes, the ending is as close to Utena's as possible.

2. I think you've missed a bit with the biblical symbolism in MSMM. Madoka has neither redeemed the world from evil nor relieved magical girls from their struggle, so she's not completely a Christ-like figure. And yet there's at least one outright biblical symbol: Madoka's blooming bow (it sprouts a rose, by the way ;)) resembles the Aaron's blooming staff. And what Madoka did is much like an Exodus from witchhood for the magical girl people. Speaking of Buddhism, Madoka definitely qualifies as a Bodhisattva, but then it's the wish/curse rotation that acts as Sansara, not Homura's time turns.

3.The whole thing with time turns is strikingly similar to the Black Rose Arc. What Nemuro had achieved was in fact a separate timeline in which he never died and could have an illusion of Mamiya alongside. After Nemuro perishes, the whole timeline perishes as well, and everything looks as if the second arc never aired. Then, in principle, none of the Black Rose duels and preparations for them could affect the following events in any way. But, instead, they do affect everything as much as the Student Council Arc. How could it be? Well, and how could Madoka dream of/remember Homura after time reset? Why the separate timelines got tied together instead of just replacing each other? In both cases, there must be some force that is independent of/pierces through time. In SKU, there's the Power of Dios — which is Love, after all — which manifests itself in each duel in both timelines. In MSMM, there's love between Homura and Madoka manifested in the promises they make in different timelines.

4. The way Kyuubey comments things happening to/performed by Madoka in e12 is pretty much similar to how Akio comments Utena's struggle and what happens after her sacrifice in e39. Main similarities are: a) both are overly self-confident, b) both get things wrong all along. :)
Friendly ghost[info]ghostfriendly on May 12th, 2011 11:41 pm (UTC)
Even if I haven't watched Utena, I'm definately interested in all these similarities, even links between Utena and Noir (a fav show) forion mentions.

Christians still sin and stuggle in our own world, despite Jesus taking the punishment for their sins on Himself (like Madoka taking away overloaded gems, so no girls turn into witches), so I think Madoka was a really good Chirst figure with some thought put into her. She even tells Homura to hope for a real miracle someday, before she goes, faintly raising the possibility of a final end to evil analogous to the second coming.

I think the time reversal and magical girl/witch cycle both show the wheel of life powered by uncontrollable destructive feelings very well. Madoka's blooming bow looked close enough to a Lotus to qualify as the Buddhist symbol for me, but Aaron's staff is fair enough and a more original idea.
Myna: Neutral[info]astrogation on May 12th, 2011 11:57 pm (UTC)
I highly recommend Utena. It's tied with Cowboy Bebop for my favorite anime ever.
(and oh man, I need to finish Noir.)
Forion: Medallion[info]forion on May 13th, 2011 08:06 am (UTC)
Thanks, in your wording the comparison to Christ is much more plausible. :)

I also highly recommend Utena. There are lots of stuff to think about in it, especially when it comes to Christian matters.
Myna: Friends[info]astrogation on May 13th, 2011 12:06 am (UTC)
Thanks for the correction with my religion reference, and I didn't know about the Aaron's staff reference, so thanks again!

And oh man, I didn't even realize the Black Rose Arc similarity.

Another similarity between Kyubei and Akio is that they both 'create' their fighters.
Forion: Roses[info]forion on May 13th, 2011 08:19 am (UTC)
Oh yes, that was an accurate observation. Furthermore, it's a wish that makes a Magical Girl, and it's a wish that drives a Duellist into competition. (Even though the nature of wishes is most often different, the concept looks rather similar.) And Grief Seeds are somewhat similar to Black Roses in the way they are created.
Forion: Kyuubey[info]forion on May 13th, 2011 11:49 am (UTC)
Oh, and no one has mentioned the mythological references yet. From the Greek mythology, there are at least Gemini in SKU and Pleiades in Kazumi manga. Speaking of Japanese myths, Akio/Anthy are based off (subverted) Izanagi/Izanami, and Kyuubey resembles a Nine-tailed fox in e5.
Myna: Confused[info]astrogation on May 13th, 2011 12:53 pm (UTC)
I don't read the Kazumi manga, nor do I know the Pleiades myth. Or Izanagi/Izanami, ^^;;
Elaby: Anthy - Adieu[info]elaby on May 12th, 2011 10:10 pm (UTC)
This is SUCH an awesome post! I immediately noticed the similarities between the endings of Utena and Madoka, and the complex "I will save you" role-switching of the two main characters, but I didn't notice the other things. That's fascinating. The pictures you posted in particular are really stunning in their similarity! I didn't realize that Madoka had such hints of the Little Mermaid, and I'm glad you pointed it out.

I have to tell you that I flailed like a dork when I saw this link in the Madoka community XD Utena is my favorite anime ever, and I was so delighted when Madoka turned out to remind me of it in some ways.
Myna: Overjoyed[info]astrogation on May 13th, 2011 12:00 am (UTC)
Thanks so much! I"m glad you like it! ^^
Yeah, the Little Mermaid references really come through Oktavia. Poor Sayaka.

Utena is also my favorite shoe ever, though it's tied with Cowboy Bebop :DD
and your icon. Yes.
Elaby[info]elaby on May 13th, 2011 12:07 am (UTC)
:D I'm a Shakespeare dork too. Twelfth Night has so many good Utena-ish lines!

Cowboy Bebop is awesome. I need to do a re-watch XD
Myna: Amused[info]astrogation on May 13th, 2011 12:09 am (UTC)
Shakespeare is my homeboy. I have a shirt that says that.

Did you, by any chance, read my Madoka/Hamlet comparison post?
Elaby[info]elaby on May 13th, 2011 12:10 am (UTC)
OMG NO BUT I SHALL.

Also, I totally need a shirt like that XD
Myna: Musical[info]astrogation on May 13th, 2011 12:12 am (UTC)
I got it because my school did Macbeth for the play this year. /Second Witch represent. :DD
Elaby[info]elaby on May 13th, 2011 12:29 am (UTC)
Haha, COOL! I've never actually performed any Shakespeare. Boo.
Myna: Love[info]astrogation on May 13th, 2011 12:21 am (UTC)
ps i am friending you.
Elaby[info]elaby on May 13th, 2011 12:29 am (UTC)
WOO! I was just going to ask if I could do the same XD
TYPHURABUGABU: RG Utena - Take my revolution[info]typhlogirl on May 12th, 2011 10:14 pm (UTC)
Was linked here from the Madoka community, and I have to say I'd never really thought to compare the two series before! You bring up some really good points! No wonder I like both so much.
Myna: Happy[info]astrogation on May 13th, 2011 12:02 am (UTC)
Thank you! Both shows are rather awesome.
I can think of a couple of more ways to compare them, but didn't write them down orz
(but Utena always wins haha)
Himeko[info]hlmeko on May 13th, 2011 04:05 am (UTC)
I'm happy I'm not the only one who tought of it. Certainly Madoka does too as utena have influence in Kanashimi no Belladonna more closely I think but certainly when I watched I thought in utena, yet I assumed it was my own obsession with Utena XD but in reality there is actually quite many series who many would not imagine I think have had inspiration in Utena, which is why I think SKU is so unique it can inspire so many and grow in so many beautiful other stories like a seed~!
Myna: Neutral[info]astrogation on May 13th, 2011 07:33 pm (UTC)
Kanashimi no Belladonna?

And isn't SKU like, the source of all series with super special awesome student councils? xD If I think about it a little, I can see some Utena traits in Shugo Chara (which I dropped years ago, haha)
Himeko[info]hlmeko on May 14th, 2011 04:38 am (UTC)
Kanashimi no belladona is a beautiful movie which inspired Utena,
It was made in the 60's and maybe it's a little too graphic, but certainly worths to watch it , When I saw Madoka I saw it really had a loot of inspiration in it.

and yeahh I tought that too about SC, have you read Hana no Kishi? That is a good utena inspired manga and also shitsurakuen! I love both of them
Myna: Melancholy[info]astrogation on May 14th, 2011 04:02 pm (UTC)
Haven't heard of either of them, but I will have to check them out!
The world of anime is so extensive orz
Sylwia (sill-vee-uh): Shoujo Kakumei Utena: Anthy.[info]unnecessary_ on May 13th, 2011 04:55 am (UTC)
SKU is my #1 favorite anime so I love this entry to pieces I'm fangirling over here.
Myna: Friends[info]astrogation on May 13th, 2011 12:51 pm (UTC)
SKU is the best show ever. <3
Sylwia (sill-vee-uh): Shoujo Kakumei Utena: Kozue.[info]unnecessary_ on May 14th, 2011 04:55 pm (UTC)
Abolutely!
☆★栗★☆[info]deadtree on May 14th, 2011 07:57 pm (UTC)
I was sensing similarities between the two series from the very beginning-- Madoka (the series) was definitely seeking to be the spiritual successor to Utena. In many ways it succeeded, and I'm certainly glad it was SHAFT because no one else could have created visuals that could even compare with Utena's upside-down castles and Shadow Girls and all. The place where Madoka suffers is it's shorter running time, but then I guess a lot of people would probably argue that Utena is longer than it needs to be (I'd never EVER cut the Black Rose saga, though-- it's my personal favourite). And also in that there are NO MALE CHARACTERS other than Sayaka's LI and Madoka's brother and father. And her baby brother has the most lines ~_~ (I jest, I'm sure that's not true.) But then, that might have been a result of the shorter running time, too; certainly I hope that boys weren't overlooked because they didn't bring any moe. (As much as I love Madoka, I guess I can't help but be a little bitter about some of the things that happened; there are missed opportunities abounding... and they didn't bother me until I started hearing talk of a second series/season which will... focus on the girls in a slice of life setting. This makes me question the integrity of the entire series, and I really hope those rumors don't come true.)
Myna: Confused[info]astrogation on May 15th, 2011 03:58 am (UTC)
The Duel Arena sequence gets me every time. Do't care what anyone says, I love Zettai Unmei Mokushiryoku to bits. And the Shadow Girls are the best ever.

(*its shorter running time)
I wish that it was a few episodes longer too. Maybe 14 or 15 episodes rather than the standard 12. It would've given time to flesh out the characters a little more, and I'd love more information on Walpurgis and Kyubei.

I wouldn't particularly mind a Madoka slice of life spin off. But I agree that it might take away from the series. Maybe it would be better as another manga extension.
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